Cain

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Its a nice upgrade for sure. I like how it can be tuned using the pins and RC Shox has gone with even more heavy duty pins as well. If you decide in the future to order this item, order extra pins right away so you have spares as they are cheap pricewise when you get them shipped with additional items.

You may however find the exotek locker will give you what you are looking for however.

Don't see why not. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Heck, for awhile I was thinking of turning my spare SC104x4 into a 1/8 buggy of sorts before I sold it LOL.

Now, who knows, the rally thing looks kind of cool.


So, for those who have been able to get some racing action in, how has the battle against the losi's and durango's been going? I hear the losi's with the MIP upgrade are on fire now, is there anything new people have tried for the SC10 4x4 that hasn't been discussed that is giving them some advantages than previous setups?

Wild Cherry

@ Trcr a battle is brewing ...

We have our 1st N/w Shoot Out this coming weekend at BRCR in Brementon WA ( B-TOWN)...


A whole bunch of those new MIP losi's , & Durango's in the mix ..


Last Sunday ? With no practice & after letting the truck sit for months ....

I manged to TQ on my 2nd run .

Lost to Losi though.

Last night ?

It was EPIC Mass fun .

Still a Sc 10 TQ & won !!!

I managed a decent 2nd in qualifying though & it was truck to truck for 4 of us till the end .
One of the Losi got me however , Ooo well .


A team mate slapped his new Pressure points on my ride to help break um in for the race for this week end .
Not helping me , but as he said "Do you really have to win tonight ?"
said.... I understand &
ran rather well considering .

SET -UP Changes I told you guys I would share ....

O no !

The Ae VTS slipper is still king !
It is proving to be the best choice for the Sc10 on the track in the N/w.. .

On the internet ?
Other's say different .

So take heed everyone ...



The SET UP....



We are using 3 oz's on the nose , 1 oz on rear saddle pack , 1/2 oz next to pinion gear .....


Rear
*30w AE oil, 1.2 piston
*yellow spring
*blue bar
*shock position = middle on tower & outside on arm.
*7mm external limiter
*8mm mod , camber position = inside on tower & 2nd hole outside on hub
*rear bub in the middle on the arm.

Ft
*35w Ae oil
*1.2 piston
*yellow spring
*yellow bar
*shock position = middle on tower & outside on arm
*camber position = outside on tower ( 1m spacer)
*7mm external limiter

24mm ride height


*saddle packs, JConcept gold Pressure Points tires....

no over drive , no lock up ft drive , no duel stage pistons , no 3rd diff's



The latest set-up change has given us a little help
for the Shootout ...

Compared to those other rides they claim are the menace ?

We are not the prey ...


So ????

We are just as fast , faster lap times even so far ...

Tonight ?

Get to run @ B-Town for the first time on new layout & club race .
Will tell you guys how it goes....


Why are we testing at TRCR before ?

#1 had to change the layout in B-Town on Sunday
#2 B Town is not nearly as abrasive as Trcr so its easier to scuff the tires at Trcr..

Cain

iTrader: (294)

Is this the vid from that race you are referring to on last sunday?

+ YouTube Video

Wild Cherry

Cain that was the main last Sunday .

I had a issue , my weights on the ft nose came off during the run , Shoe Goo on the weights now .

Look at the start , my ride is TQ ...

Cain

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Yeah, saw that you made TQ good job.

I am curious though you used the 8mm mod in the vid right?

If so, was that the cause of your traction rolling? Seemed like that one section where you rolled you had to take slower later on in the vid than the MIP equipped losi who was just flat out fast around all section of the track. Seems that is where he was making the most of getting a lead over the rest of the field as well as seeming to be up a bit on power.

What was your diff fluid settings by the way?

Wild Cherry

That was not a traction roll Cain ....

not sure why it rolled over on the start , guessing i got to close to the bump.
lost mass position on another section due the three or so mistakes .
Truck was not right & was only wondering somethings wrong .

Missing weights
explains my inconsistency on the infield...


Last night ?
1st qualifier
Wild & the Goul-zilla ran away from those Losi & Durango's ...

We even had the lap times ...

Then my teammate put on fresh PP tires on me ride ...

Did not steer, traction was not so bad however and I managed to give a good main.

The Losi was right in ft a second or two ahead...


diff fluid for Wilds ride , not sure bout my team mates...

FT 20k
Rear 7k

Cain

iTrader: (294)

Interesting, reason I thought it was a traction roll was after it occurred reminded me of when I and others fought the traction roll issue initially (going thru sections like that slower, similar to the vid) before going to higher shims under the rear ball stud and could let it drift and take corners like that much faster. With the way the +8mm seems to perform on loose conditions (generating more traction), makes me wonder if it would cause a scrub of speed as the rear end wouldn't transition as fast / grip more than desired. Will have to give it a look indoors on carpet and see how it works, maybe there is more to it than that. With the way the turns are here on the tight track, need fast transition.

For the losi guys looks like that MIP upgrade is money though.

Wild Cherry

Cain , look carefully at the turn where I rolled .
you will see we piled a lot of clay around the apex on that turn ..


You keep thinking the 8mm is for low traction conditions , someone told you backwards ....

Using the 8mm the truck will have less traction and rotates more ...

On the bumps ?

Less forgiving....

On smooth clay with med to high traction is where the 8mm shines ....

Cain

iTrader: (294)

I'll give it a look again as I can't run youtube from this computer.

As for the 8mm mod, I did one better WC, I tried it out . it did what Krio mentioned concerning in the low traction conditions and I think what that AE rep said too if I recall correctly.

I'll try it though indoors as well and report back but to be honest looking at how you took the infield section in question that is what I would have thought would happen based on the +8mm mod and what I saw it do in low traction. Again, just going from what I saw it do in low traction, which is increase rear grip.

Hope to have something to report back mid month for carpet.

Wild Cherry

BK or Brown is the best to ask about 8mm , that's who I use .

Set-up I gave is not from me , its Brownie's .....

Fresh picture ..

Snafujg

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Removing the 8mm mod helped my truck on my indoor clay high bite track. I was traction rolling a lot with it on. Once removed, my traction rolling is all but gone.

I'll be racing tonight finally so I'll be able to report back tomorrow on my rolling issues from a couple weeks ago. Raised the rear inner ball stud per Cain's suggestion. Also went to a thicker sway in the rear.

indybobb

I'm a bit confused myself as have read both things too (gives more traction, takes traction away), BUT I can say from runnign the 8mm mod on carpet that for me, it got rid of the traction rolling, and I can be WAY more agressive into turns, befor I could not run dboots Nanobites because it traction rolled on every fast corner, now dialed with it. So, I say try it and make your own decitions, it could be as simple as driving style.

Cain

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Yeah its definitely worth seeing what it does for you.

For me at least, I think that since its a dual adjustment (inner and outer stud locations), the part that normally would be used (at least from what I saw) to get rid of the traction rolling, namely raising the inner ball stud is raised in conjunction with the the outlink. So for example on the carpet track I ran on and will be running on prior to knowing about the 8mm mod, I raised the inner stud to 7mm and it eliminated traction rolling. Mind you, I was rolling with stock AE tires!

Definitely though worth trying for yourself to see.

aaron2u

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where can info on this 8mm mod be found?

Cain

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its been hashed out a few times on this thread. If you can't find any info on it drop me a pm and I can forward you what I have, but basically the main debate has been where to use it to get the most benefit.

One camp is that it is useful in low traction situations and give the rear more bite.

Another camp is that its useful in high traction situations.

Krio had a nice explanation of it that is posted here from what I recall and I believe it included some info from an AE rep too.

Ultimately, its best probably just try it. For me personally after trying it on extremely low traction, it gave a bit more bite. It also seemed to square the car up a bit more. Personally I found that I got more of what I wanted using the M2C rear toe in blocks and more toe.

I plan to give it a shot on carpet when I have the time.